February 24, 2025
Why You’re Not As Lost As You Think (+ BIG NEWS!)
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Ever feel like you’re the only one who doesn’t have it all figured out? You’re not alone. In this episode, I share the surprising story of how Saturday Night Live stars Bill Hader and Andy Samberg met for the first time—each one secretly convinced that the other was the one “doing it right”. Spoiler alert: they both were.
This story perfectly captures one of the biggest lies we tell ourselves in business, creativity, and life: that everyone else knows what they’re doing while we’re somehow lost or that we need to follow what *they’re * doing in order to be more successful in our businesses. The truth? Most people are figuring it out as they go—just like you and me.
In this episode, you’ll hear…
- The Bill Hader & Andy Samberg SNL story and what it reveals about imposter syndrome
- Why the belief that “other people have it all figured out” is keeping you stuck
- How to shift your mindset and stop waiting until you feel “ready”
- BIG NEWS! A new 4-part podcast series starts Monday, March 3, 2025
- Other big news: My book, When I Start My Business, I’ll Be Happy, is available for pre-order and releases on April 15, 2025! 🎉
If you’ve ever doubted yourself, compared your journey to someone else’s, or felt like you were behind—this episode is for you.
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The Illusion of Certainty
Andy Samberg showed up to his SNL audition with a bag full of props. Bill Hader, on the other hand, decided to go propless. When they rode the elevator together, Bill thought, I should have brought props—he’s so prepared! Meanwhile, Andy looked at Bill and thought, Wow, he doesn’t need props—he’s so talented! The reality? Both of them were second-guessing themselves.
And yet… both of them landed a spot on SNL.
How often do we look at someone else’s business, assume they have it all figured out, and doubt our own approach? The truth is, no one knows exactly what they’re doing. And just because someone’s strategy is different from yours doesn’t mean it’s better.
Business Is One Big Experiment
In the world of algorithms where showing up often was once king, we’re seeing a move away from this as people are getting exhausted with content created for the purpose of high frequency rather than providing substance. Audiences and potential clients are looking for transparency and quality as they’ve become more savvy in their interactions with the online world, so leaning into that and providing high touch content and service will help you stand out from the crowd.
Keep Your Eyes on Your Own Paper
You might be looking at someone else’s marketing, pricing, or content strategy and thinking, They must have cracked the code. But what if they’re just testing things out? What if you are the one on the right track?
So much of business success comes down to:
✔ Experimenting
✔ Looking at the data
✔ Adjusting based on what works for you
Instead of assuming someone else has all the answers, try approaching business with curiosity. What happens if I try this? How does this strategy feel to me? When you focus on your own process, you stop chasing someone else’s version of success and start building a business that actually works for you.
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Picture this. It’s 2005 and two young comedians walk into 30 Rock in New York City to audition at Saturday Night Live, each convinced that the other one has their shit together. One of those comedians is Bill Hader. The other is Andy Samberg. And neither of them realizes that the other one is just as scared as they are.
As business owners, we assume that everybody else has stuff figured out. Like, we figure that their way is better, or if their way is different than ours, then that must mean that theirs is right and ours is wrong. But in reality, as business owners, there are so many strategies, trends, tips, tricks, whatever, that all, like, work, whatever that means, even, by the way, because what works for you, not only, like, what works for me in my business might not work for you in your business, but also what is my definition of what works for me might also be different than you.
But there are so many different ways to go about this. The other thing is that everyone is probably just as confused and overwhelmed as you are. So this assumption that, like, you’re the one that’s confused and everybody else has it figured out is just not true. Honestly, I think so many people in the online business space are just trying their best, and some are better than others at making that look really good on the outside, and some might not even be doing well, but be good at making it look like that.
And it might just be how it looks to you on the outside. Like, some people, some online business owner, I know, they don’t even try to project like this image of doing really well, but you might think that they are because sometimes we project to be exploring the story of how we put our thoughts about that onto other people, and like, what we think it all looks like based on our own stuff.
Okay, so let’s talk about this Andy Samberg and Bill Hader meeting because it really, really got me. And before we do, I just want to quickly mention that make sure you stick around all the way to the end of this episode because I’ve actually got some really exciting news for you and a big announcement to share that I think you’re really, really gonna like, so, let’s stick around all the way to the end.
Okay, so let’s get to this meeting between Andy Samberg and Bill Hader. So back when they tried out for SNL in 2005, Andy Sandberg went into this audition at 30 Rock, and he decided, he went to like the Party City or like the Halloween store, and he like bought it out. He bought all these props and they basically get five minutes to try out.
In case you don’t know, I only know this because I just watched the SNL documentary docuseries, which I highly recommend, but they, they get these five minutes to, you know, audition for SNL. And Andy Samberg decided he was going to use every prop in the book during his five minutes to, you know, illustrate the, the comedy and the impressions that he was doing.
Bill Hader, on the other hand, decided ahead of time that he was going propless. So he shows up to the audition, no props at all, just gonna act everything out. The two of them get onto an elevator together at 30 Rock, and Bill Hader looks over at Andy Samberg and all of his props, and he’s like, holy shit, I am such an idiot, this guy brought all the props, I knew I should have brought my props, like, he just starts doubting himself, right?
Andy Samberg, at the very same time, unbeknownst to Bill Hader, is looking over at Bill Hader going, this guy didn’t bring any props. What an idiot! Like, I have to, I thought that I had to have all these props in order to make it funny, but this guy is so funny, he doesn’t even need props. I just thought this was, like, such an incredible illustration of what goes on in our own minds when we’re, like, looking at each other in the online business space, thinking, like, boy, they really have it together and like, no, they really have it together.
And we’re, it’s like two like ships in the night. We’re just like completely looking at each other thinking the other one has it figured out. But in reality, the truth was, even with Andy Samberg and Bill Hader props or no props, they’re both amazing comedians. They both got the job. They both got on SNL in 2005, just because one was doing it differently than the other, didn’t actually mean anything. Like, it wasn’t objectively better to use or not use props, right? It was more about them going to this audition and taking that five minutes and taking full advantage of it, right? Going out there, being the truest and most authentic versions of themselves, being able to perform comedy.
In front of Lorne Michaels, who, by the way, I sat next to at lunch one time in, in Amagansett, New York, out in, uh, out in the Hamptons, and he was eating lunch with, I noticed Lorne Michaels first, just a little aside, I noticed Lorne Michaels first, because he’s just like, such an iconic like look. And I knew who he was and I didn’t even bother to look over to the left and see that he was eating, eating lunch with Sir Paul McCartney.
Okay. So just a little fun, fun fact. Um, that’ll, that’ll be the closest I ever get to them. So yeah, the, the most important thing was that they go and do this audition for them, and that they just did the best that they could in their audition. It was about owning who they were, right? So here’s the big lesson for us as online business owners.
We falsely believe that everyone else is doing it right, or everyone’s doing this better than me, or has it figured out, and I don’t have it figured out, or like, whatever, right? But in reality, they don’t. I think most people are doing their best. And if they’re like me, they’re experimenting and seeing what works.
Like if you’re looking at any marketer or anybody who you think is really good at marketing, so much of marketing is testing and experimenting and being open. I think that one of the things that makes me most successful in my own business is my ability to be curious and open and like, let’s just see how this goes.
Like I don’t have to have everything figured out, but I could see how. But you might look at something that I’m doing and you would, or somebody else who you admire, you would look at that person and think like, oh, they have all, like, cause this person’s successful. Every single thing I, I see them doing is successful or every single thing I see them doing is why they’re successful, right?
And that’s not always the case, especially in our line of work. It’s just a lot of experimentation. Sometimes people copy me. I always find this really funny. Like, they copy me and I’m like, go for it. That thing actually didn’t work for me, right? Maybe it’ll work for them. Like, just because it doesn’t work for me, that doesn’t mean it won’t work for them. But I do think it comes from this really interesting Like mindset that they probably copied it because I’m doing it and they assume that because I’m doing it It’s successful and that’s not always the case, right? That’s just because I’m doing it doesn’t make it good or doesn’t make it a good idea for me or for you.
When I went to record the audiobook a few weeks ago in New York City, I had so much doubt and anxiety. I know I shared about this a little bit on the podcast, but I was so scared of like, you know, I had to try out for it. And there are professional voice actors, obviously, who do this all the time. And, and I also know that there are a lot of authors who have had many books. So now they’re kind of, you know, more used to doing their audio book and stuff like that. And I figured that the rest of the authors who do their audio books had just like never experienced any of these feelings that I had.
It’s also the first time in my business where I’ve created something over many, many years. Like, it’s been four years in the making to make my book and It’s, you know, it comes out April 15th, like it’s not even out yet. And so, when I, sometimes when I read things, I’m like, oh, I want to add something about this or I wish I would have talked about that or, you know, this thing, whatever. It’s just the way that this works with books, right? And I thought like this was me, or I thought that this meant I was a bad author. But when I went to Hachette, to my publisher to record the audiobook, I got the opportunity to meet some of their authors who have books coming around, coming out around my time.
And I said, like, do you guys, like, while you’re reading it, do you ever think, like, oh, I wish I could add this or I should change that or whatever? They’re like, oh my gosh, yes, the whole time, like, it was that sigh of relief where everybody was like, me too, me too, me too, right? It just wasn’t true what I had been telling myself, that it was just me.
Usually, people, other business owners, whatever, let their walls down. You learn that you’re actually all experiencing the same thoughts and feelings, just maybe on different scales or about different things or from a different perspective. As a new business owner, it’s easy to think that other business owners, especially those who are more.
Established have all their stuff together, right? But that’s just not always true. So let’s apply this to some concrete action steps, like what can you do from here? If you’re like, yeah, yeah, I recognize this is something I do like now. Okay, what do I do about it? Number one, I am always a big fan of encouraging you to keep your eyes on your own paper.
You wouldn’t know that all of this other stuff was going on, or that people were doing other things if you weren’t looking to other people for the answers or assuming that they have it better. I mean, think about somebody cheating in a test in school back when we were young, right? The whole idea of looking at someone else’s paper was that you assumed they had the answer and you didn’t.
So we need to stop looking at other people’s papers and just do yours, right? Just focus on yours because I know you hear this all the time, but like it is so true that what works for you may or may not work for me. And what speaks to my audience or community may or may not speak to yours. And so you really have to experiment.
You have to embody this mindset of experimentation and being open to trying things long enough that you can look at the data and without emotion, you look at the data and say, this is working or this is not working and over time, you get better and better and better at looking at that data and saying, oh, I think that this is why, right?
And as I always say, as my mom always said, understanding the mechanism of why something’s not working so that you make better and smarter decisions and make better experiments and hypotheses. And I’m going to show you how to do that. So, that’s the first thing I want you to do.
The second thing is that I want you to shift your mindset. That even when you do see other people doing certain things in a certain way in their business, it’s an example, not a rubric. So, it’s not the right way to do it. It’s just an example.
The third thing is to normalize whatever feelings you’re having, whether it’s feeling lost or even that you have that desire to look for answers from other people or that you would like a shortcut or That this feels particularly hard for you and seems seemingly, you know, easier for others.
That that is all totally normal. I think that is part of being an entrepreneur. It’s part of having an online business. Especially because we see everything around us all the time, you know, we see this visual representation all around us, which is just, you know, pretty abnormal. So the next time you’re looking at someone else and thinking, like, they just have it together, they’re doing it right because they’re doing it differently than me.
Just remember, somewhere, they’re looking at someone else thinking the exact same thing. So, tell me, you can DM me on Instagram @samvanderwielen or reply to my emails. Have you ever felt this way? Did this episode help you to shift that mindset a little bit? Send me a message. I want to hear from you.
Okay, and you made it all the way to the end of the episode, so I cannot wait to share my big, big news with you. On Your Terms is officially back. Every Monday, so a brand new episode will air every single Monday, and that’s not all. Next week, Monday, March 3rd, I’m actually kicking off a brand new four part series on the podcast where we’ll talk about The Happy Trap, the There’s Only One Right Way to Build a Business Myth, the I Just Need More Followers Lie, and the Hustle Equals Success Problem.
Next week is part one of the series The Happy Trap where we’ll discuss why success alone won’t make you feel fulfilled, the real reason so many entrepreneurs feel stuck even after they hit goals that they thought would make them happy, and what actually leads to happiness in business or as a business owner.
So I can’t wait to drop part one of this four part series. Next Monday, March 3rd. I hope you’ll reach out and let me know if you enjoyed this episode and also let me know what you think about On Your Terms being back every Monday. I paused it for a little while and then dropped to it every other week, um, while I was writing my book and releasing the book and editing the book and all that kind of stuff.
So I’m really, really happy to be back. I absolutely love being here with you each week, so I appreciate you listening. And I can’t wait to be with you, um, in part one of this four part series starting next Monday.
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So What Do you think?
I thought this episode was so extremely insightful. Among all the pearls of wisdom here, you said something I never would have realized.
And that is, even with your book being published, when reading it, you still kept thinking to yourself how you would have changed certain things. Once completed and published, I never thought this would be a concern for authors.
I have 3 books in the works, and every time I open them, I rewrite paragraphs AND chapters. I never seem to be pleased when revisiting my drafts, and at this point, no book of mine shall ever be published–
But I now have hope!
I will trust my instincts, and I will not rewrite good work incessantly. Otherwise, I will never move forward. Same thing with my endless business ideas.
This episode was truly worth listening to, even several times over. It was an inspiration in how to move forward, how to stop second guessing myself, and how to finally and fully utilize that amazing Bundle I happily purchased!
So as always Sam, Thank you for your ever applicable, warm, and sincere wisdom!
Liz! This made my day. You’re so right- I don’t think there’s ever a point where you look at anything you create and go, “AH! Now it’s perfect…” What we do/write about is constantly evolving and changing — as are you. The way I wrote a year ago isn’t the way I write today, and that’s a good thing. But at some point we have to say, “this represents where I’m at right now” and let it go. Thank you so much for listening to On Your Terms! I’m really glad you liked this episode. Hope you love the series that starts next Monday 3/3!